http://blog.notanendive.org/ Cross country, across cultures. en Mon, 30 Oct 2023 14:01:38 +0100 © notafish http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Dotclear http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2012/03/21/of-intended-puns-and-other-language-barriers#c22050 urn:md5:6c1eebff9ae14780e85a40593aef4a68 Wed, 03 Dec 2014 22:21:04 +0100 Andrew <p>Yes - I have experienced this. At home with my wife (german) and me (English) and kids (bilingual Americans) we speak Denglisch so we all get each other's jokes. Out of the house though with german friends I will get that stare (z.B. "wir sagen nicht 'lass uns die Straße schlagen' wenn wir losgehen wollen"). Actually that's a slightly different type of wortspiel - one where you have to speak both languages to get it. Those are more fun too.<br /> Gotta make myself on the socks now. Bye.</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2012/04/06/empathy-culture-and-the-words-you-use#c22049 urn:md5:6476b0dc8a1e1c855f014069b7c282a7 Wed, 03 Dec 2014 22:14:53 +0100 Andrew <p>Wow, really excellent point. I'd never thought of it that way. Love your blog, btw.</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2012/03/21/of-intended-puns-and-other-language-barriers#c21597 urn:md5:8908a2c076b9878776ddd9d04b1107fa Tue, 21 May 2013 10:11:34 +0200 Nemo <p>I just made this mistake myself with a non-native English speaker like me: I was in proofreading mindset and I didn't get the pun in an ungrammatical sentence. I felt stupid because I should know the author well enough to get it.</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2013/05/05/how-speaking-too-many-languages-is-limiting#c19435 urn:md5:0107c6c9165b9d8158fb724c51321e5b Sun, 05 May 2013 23:28:30 +0200 notafish <p>@Eugene I think you have a point, with the kids, I've come to this conclusion too, but it really only is true for a bit of my not writing. ;)</p> <p>@Patricio I saw this when not too long ago, you explained a word you used in a Facebook status (the one about the basketball player). :)</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2013/05/05/how-speaking-too-many-languages-is-limiting#c19420 urn:md5:607ca85c72a7743055140b1a09be799b Sun, 05 May 2013 16:50:28 +0200 Patricio <p>True. I realize that I've stopped tweetting because of the different audiences (in languages and in interests). And sometimes, when I update my Facebook status in plain Argentinian Spanish, I fear the risk of misunderstandings.</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2013/05/05/how-speaking-too-many-languages-is-limiting#c19419 urn:md5:e9943ff70c255d0e40485bc4f8102005 Sun, 05 May 2013 16:36:34 +0200 Eugene Eric Kim <p>I get what you're saying. Classic paradox of choice. Options can be paralyzing. So I'm glad you're going to just work through it and write, even if that means I won't be able to understand all of it!</p> <p>That said, I can't help but think that having two kids might also have had something to do with your lower output. :-)</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2012/04/06/empathy-culture-and-the-words-you-use#c14114 urn:md5:69ddb0c36ca99518339b0d7daab1b1ae Fri, 01 Mar 2013 09:15:01 +0100 notafish <p>No, I haven't, but looking it up really quick, this seems interessant, I'll look into it. Thanks :)</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2012/04/06/empathy-culture-and-the-words-you-use#c11913 urn:md5:0c8bdc87412c41cc33fbcb30d351a2f3 Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:47:49 +0100 Mark <p>Yes. Very good points. Have you seen Simon Baron Cohen's research?</p> <p>Mark</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2012/02/12/madame-und-monsieur-kann-man-auf-deutsch-nicht-ansprechen#c7645 urn:md5:2ad4f4771fa252ff0b82607105f90896 Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:32:23 +0100 Cornelius <p>Also um gerade unbekannte Personen zu rufen, verwenden viele ja noch ein Adjektiv dazu. "Junger Herr", "Junge Dame/Frau" ist, so finde ich, sehr geläufig und wird auch in der oben von dir beschriebenen Situation verwendet.</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2012/02/12/madame-und-monsieur-kann-man-auf-deutsch-nicht-ansprechen#c7103 urn:md5:0585bbeb91e8b5ec29afa4fce1e46fc5 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:39:19 +0100 chaosblog <p>Für das Bier füge ich noch ein Ober hinzu :) - also eine Berufsbezeichnung o.ä.<br /> "Herr Ober, bitte noch ein Bier."</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2012/02/12/madame-und-monsieur-kann-man-auf-deutsch-nicht-ansprechen#c7099 urn:md5:660a45be9bb0ae1ca222200d04ce758a Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:14:11 +0100 notafish <p>Ah, cool, das funktionniert für Hallo sagen, aber für "Monsieur ! Ich möchte noch ein Bier.", geht das nicht wirklich oder? "Der Herr! Ich möchte ein Bier bitte"... :D</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2012/02/12/madame-und-monsieur-kann-man-auf-deutsch-nicht-ansprechen#c7098 urn:md5:3119ea0e6281c5d27d455040e9a0de8f Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:48:36 +0100 chaosblog <p>Bis jetzt hatte ich mir da nie wirklich Gedanken drüber gemacht. Ich habe es bisher immer mit Herr und Dame gelöst, allerdings mit einem Artikel davor.<br /> Also z.B. "Guten Tag der Herr" bzw. "Guten Tag die Dame".</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2009/05/25/pourquoi-les-francais-ne-parlent-pas-de-langues-etrangeres#c4695 urn:md5:fb69af69c281bffee46b8a4886397f5b Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:10:37 +0200 notafish <p>Bonjour Louis,</p> <p>En ce qui concerne l'apprentissage des langues étrangères à l'école, il est moins mauvais qu'ailleurs (les Etats-Unis, par exemple, sont une catastrophe), mais c'est crai q'uil y manque beaucoup de vie. En gros, les français apprennent les langues étrangères comme ils apprennent le français, à grands coups de grammaire, de verbes irréguliers et d'exception à la règle, mais n'apprennent que rarement le vrai dialogue, la langue "parlée". C'est un peu dommage, mais c'est mieux que rien.</p> <p>Par ailleurs, j'ai été étonnée (d'une manière générale), par le fait que les italiens et les espagnols sont moins coincés à parler l'anglais que les français. Je dois avouer que j'avais tendance à les mettre dans le même sac. Je trouve du coup qu'ils le parlent mieux, car ils semblent avoir moins de réticences à faire des fautes...</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2009/05/25/pourquoi-les-francais-ne-parlent-pas-de-langues-etrangeres#c4694 urn:md5:48fea80a29f24eb5dbd4cc2b29fc471f Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:12:29 +0200 Louis <p>Merci beaucoup pour cette réflexion auquel je n'avais pour ma part jamais pensé. Je la trouve tout à fait pertinente. Il est certain que la société française les marqueurs linguistiques sont très importants.<br /> Cependant, même si ce complexe de mal parler existe et contribue sans doute à notre mauvaise réputation dans ce domaine, je crois également qu'il y a un très sérieux problème d'enseignement des langues étrangères en France. Tant la durée hebdomadaire des cours que les méthodes employées sont à mon avis à revoir. Mais je n'ai pas l'impression que ce débat puisse naître facilement dans notre pays. Et il se heurte souvent à des arguments - foireux à mon avis - de défense de l'identité linguistique...<br /> A l'étranger, dans les communautés internationales, nous faisons toujours office de mauvais exemple... Et nous sommes toujours sujet de railleries. Il est vrai que face à des Danois, des Néerlandais ou des Suèdois, on en mène pas large... Seuls les Espagnols et les Italiens sont à peu près aussi mauvais que nous !</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2010/09/18/of-language-and-thought%3A-gender-awareness#c4652 urn:md5:724a7a0144d3790ea8ded47119d18ac3 Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:34:37 +0200 cilantro <p>Imagine the trouble when mixing with non indoeuropean languages, for instance Hebrew (has masculine and feminine as a function of the consonant the word ends with, but is full of exceptions)!<br /> Nominally nouns are masculine unless they end in 'Heh' (the fifth letter in the Alef-Bet), or 'Taf' (the last one). Notwithstanding that Heh is silent and most of the time takes the sound of the tacit vowel it accompanies, and that Taf can be confused with 'Tet' (the ninth letter), which used to have a slightly different sound but is now pronounced the same, the language is full of exceptions... for instance fire=esh, clearly ends in 'Shin' (the next to last letter), but is however feminine. Or, as per your example shemesh=sun is feminine also, but iareach=moon is masculine as per the rule.<br /> Go figure</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2009/05/30/which-language-says-it-best#c4394 urn:md5:68fa098c3bce54570b67131b3c9c712c Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:39:28 +0200 Stéphane Deschamps <p>For "background", in French I do use "un fond" or "un passif".</p> <p>But yes, I see what you mean nonetheless.</p> <p>And here's my pet annoyance from english to french: "lashing out". My kids do it sometimes (you know, they're mad at nothing in particular, so they just grouch and claw around), and there's really no french equivalent that I can think of.</p> <p>There are others, assuredly. I'll try to come back here if they pop back to my mind.</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2009/05/30/which-language-says-it-best#c4391 urn:md5:a4f375772d91c15099581301389da171 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:05:11 +0200 notafish <p>Background, exactly! I can't translate that either. It definitely is missing in French.</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2009/05/30/which-language-says-it-best#c4390 urn:md5:fde0322df3c14756f6c68c1a9c9b9184 Sun, 31 May 2009 12:14:29 +0200 Cécile <p>Background as in cultural background, family background, etc. Impossible to translate into French accurately... Believe me, I have tried.</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2009/05/30/which-language-says-it-best#c4389 urn:md5:464de5295c6ccb2a4974984465ad2ea7 Sat, 30 May 2009 20:03:31 +0200 jredmond <p>The Spanish words "macho" and "machismo" didn't really exist in English, so we stole them. "Macho" is an adjective I usually take to mean "competitively masculine", though there are often connotations of foolishness; "machismo" is the noun form.</p> http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2009/05/25/pourquoi-les-francais-ne-parlent-pas-de-langues-etrangeres#c4385 urn:md5:22c3afe282eead18f431d1e2bd6e90b4 Mon, 25 May 2009 17:54:31 +0200 notabene <p><a href="http://identi.ca/notice/4560073">Statut de notabene sur Monday, 25-May-09 15:54:28 UTC</a></p> <!-- TB --> <p>Un test d'URL avec identi.ca : http://blog.notanendive.org/post/2009/05/25/pourquoi-les-francais-ne-parlent-pas-de-langues-etrangeres...</p>